Non-trans folks: trans women who underwent testosterone puberty don’t have any voice changes from HRT.
Some do many hours of mentally exhausting voice therapy to find a new voice. Some do not.
I am not asking but demanding that you respect both choices. 
I am saying this because I often meet with non trans folks who don’t know this. And I imagine non trans people here want to be the best allies that they can.
@rooster Also yeah, even the therapist I was seeing for a while, who said she has worked with gender dysphoric folks before, didn't know this. She was great but she really had gaps in her knowledge.
@faithisleaping@rooster One of my mother-in-law's first questions was "Will his voice get higher?" (misgendering intended) 
End Of An Era @werefox@yiff.life@rooster I think there's some value in also mentioning that there are plenty of cis women that just naturally have deep voices as well. On top of that, voice training is exhausting and surgery is expensive and comes with its own sets of risks.
End Of An Era @werefox@yiff.life@tarajdactyl @gretared @rooster oh I totally get that. You have to really work at using that frequently for it to get to a point where you're not kinda having to actively think about it and running out of the ability to do it without it hurting. 
@rooster Hell yes, this. I'm voice training for my own self-image, not for anyone else, and not everyone will have a want or need to do so 
@biplanepilot@poweredbygay.social@rooster Weirdly, the VA does cover voice therapy.
@tarajdactyl@biplanepilot I've heard that a lot of insurance will, if the request is phrased correctly; if it is referred by a doctor as a preventative treatment to prevent vocal nodules or other problems that can occur from improper technique. 
haven't tried that myself yet through (maybe next year?)
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@Neineon77@rooster I've been doing voice training for like half a year and I'm only now seeing a difference, it's allot of work and it takes time
@Neineon77 @rooster I'm nearly a year into my second attempt and it's still hard.
@rooster yes, 100%. I started voice therapy and found it way too stressful to continue pretty quickly. Not thrilled about my voice and it causing misgendering (esp on the phone), but it isn't a major source of dysphoria for ME, where other physical aspects I've addressed really were.
@rooster Thank you. I did not realize that timing of HRT affected voice changes.
@rooster Boosting because people NEED to know that the trans women they know who have higher pitched voices worked SO HARD for them. They can't expect all trans women to do the same and keep wondering "why doesn't she sound like X??"
@rooster I honestly didn’t know that thanks for expanding my knowledge :)
@Spookyevilone@mas.to@rooster Reverse is also true. Sometimes T doesn't bring about a nice deep tone change for transmasc. BFF has intense dysphoria about his voice.
@rooster my piddly 2 cents... sophiefrommars does a knock-out imitation of alex jones and i luv her for that (among all the other reasons to)
@dannyman@sfba.social@rooster Also, if we're not trans, the mechanics of anyone's transgender experience are none of our business.
@gobomoki@kolektiva.social@rooster just wanted to say: Okay. You got it. No problem at all. :) lots of love to all of us, all of us.
@rooster I'm simply hoping everything else about me passes well enough eventually that I'll just seem like a cis woman with a deep voice
@rooster yes yes yes yes thank you
Tilly Bridges 
@tillybridges@mastodon.social@rooster yeah I spent two years at m voice therapy and practiced every single day and STILL have to practice every day even now that I’m out of therapy. it is SO much work. nobody should have to do it if they don’t want to, and it should be more easily available and accessible to those that do.
@tillybridges @rooster I would love to not have to voice train. But as long as I have to hear this voice coming out of me... 
@rooster i did go through puberty with testo, and my voice did crack (but long story...i intentionally cracked it because I was feeling shame on school and college settings) to a very bass timbre.
Over the 6 odd years of estro, my voice has changed a tiny tiny bit. Less raspy perhaps. Less...bass. some higher notes.
But that's also partly because I tried and gave up on voice coaching.
@rooster and it can be quite expensive for those of us that feel the need for professional assistance.
@cybertailor@deadinsi.de@rooster idk, i have internalized transphobia 
@rooster Also physically demanding - if I don't do my exercises daily on top of the mental effort to keep my voice in femme range through the whole day, I lose progress *fast*.
@QuickWeasel@mastodon.social@rooster I know a trans woman who hasn't bothered to change her voice in the slightest. She's still very cute!