@lettosprey@tech.lgbt#Democracy won in the UK! ... ?
... "Democracy won" is generally code for "our side won", or even "we replaced something bad with something somewhat better"
The third ranked party, with 14% of the votes got 1% of the seats, green, with their 7% got 1%, while libdems with 12%, got 11% of the seats.
Insane...
"So, would you prefer that Reform UK go<stoppit>" - no, but democracy isn't about my preference. Nor do we even know WHAT the percentage could be if people were not given the "we better vote labor, or else..." gun to their head.
There really should be massive demonstrations...
Based on the % votes, I assume a labour / libdem / green coalition government. Many peeps worry "this would give green too much power" but that would be all up to labour. Pushed too far, they could say "nah, you insist that, we'll step down and you rule try to rule with conservatives instead". Small parties "unfair power positions" is generally nothing more than blocker for "abusive changes from larger parties".
@lettosprey Thanks, I've been looking for this info today. Where did you find it?
@yesterzine@topspicy.social@lettosprey Here's your stat. Labour got fewer votes in 2024 than in 2019.
@yesterzine@topspicy.social@lettosprey Yeah...
Recipts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election 2019 - 10.2 million
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/results - 2024 - 9,6 million with 6 seats to go. There are not enough votes left for them to beat 2019 even with that.
@yesterzine@topspicy.social@lettosprey Oh and 2017 (also apparently a Labour failure) was 12.8 million
@lettosprey@yesterzine I learned about the FPTP setup in the UK several years back, the fact that "other parties are represented" had made me assume it had to be PR, so it was a tad surprising to learn (unlike where for the US, where it is out in the open obvious). So these things come as no surprise, but we NEED to keep addressing them.
UK/US pol matters outside their borders, so their peoples voices matter to us outside.
"What can we do to increase voter turnout", they ask - WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK????
Scandinavian countries keep topping all sorta "good indexes" and people point and say "that is because of... and... and..."
And you look at democracy index scores and no one even match scandinavian countries, but no one stop to think "hey, maybe there is a connection?"
The best way to fight fascism is to make everyone feel like they are included and their voice matters.
I dread to think what Reform UK can get next election if labour keep making people feel they don't really matter because "well, only safe vote"...
@lettosprey@kvaks First off, the reform was to introduce ranked choice voting. While maybe better than "pure FPTP", is is still a "patch" to FPTP that will again lead to advantages to the larger, established parties. The vote was not on PR, allowing fair distribution based on votes.
Ranked choice will still give unfair advantages to alternatives like labour and conservatives the side that has the most "batteling options" to their main alternative will have a harder time than the side that does not. As such, with the situation in the UK, ranked choice could benefit the further right, but not the centre / left labour alts.
Secondly, when the ones holding power and the "second option" are in on keeping things the way it is, they together hold a lot of control over the narrative. It only means that this narrative must be challenged and the battle taken until it is won, because "should we have democracy" is not really something left up to a one sided argument in one referendum with a totally different voter base.
@lettosprey@kvaks My brain switched thought in the middle somewhere there and I really should attempt to formulate it better at one point.
Summary is: a referendum 13 years ago does not reflect todays voters, even back then it had an unfair information bias, and did not offer an optimal option (PR), but a "patch solution".
It was a negotiation between a key player and a larger alternative, not meant to solve the main issue, but to be something "agreeable for both".
People deserve to vote on PR as an alternative in such a setup, not limited to what the current "rulers" want the option to be.
@lettosprey So really Reform lost the election for themselves and the Conservatives by getting a lot of votes.