TikTok shut itself down as part of a pro-Trump propaganda campaign.
The likelihood of a quid-pro-quo with Trump is extremely high. Using TikTok will mean being propagandized with pro-Trump messages over the next four years.
You are not immune to propaganda!
@LilahTovMoon the algorithm's already been manipulated, it seems
someone on bsky was saying the first thing they saw on their FYP was charlie kirk
@alphapuggle @colon_three @LilahTovMoon . Dark days are coming to America once the sex offender/rapist/convicted felon Comrade trump is installed as America's first Russian owned Dictator. R.I.P. America 1776-2025 The end of Free America & the beginning of Comrade trumps dictatorship.
@alphapuggle @colon_three @LilahTovMoon They're showing us TFG's dancing butt?
...Makes me wonder who they're propagandizing for.
/s/
*I know exactly who they're propagandizing for. The MAGA faithful will eat up TFG's dancing butt with a big spoon
@LilahTovMoon Why do we need Tiktok in the first place? :)
@LilahTovMoon exactamundo
@LilahTovMoon
He’s not president yet, TikTok.
This app is shady af
@cynthiarose @LilahTovMoon that’s what I am saying he is President Elect. He cannot do anything yet. This just doesn’t pass the smell test to me.
@LilahTovMoon I think that's gonna be true of most US platforms tbh
@sudden tiktok used to have a pretty solid alt right pipeline last i heard, it just also had more leftists on it than other social media @LilahTovMoon
@walladiethylamide @sudden @LilahTovMoon In Dallas all of the leftist orgs primarily use Instagram
@sudoer777 and more leftist orgs should be using more mainstream platforms as long as we can. we can't let the right fill the void with their rhetoric @sudden @LilahTovMoon
@LilahTovMoon The platform was previously shut down because server providers like AWS or Cloudflare feared legal repercussions for supporting its operation. However, today, Trump assured these providers they would not face legal trouble, prompting them to allow traffic to resume
@LilahTovMoon@tech.lgbt literally after it came back and I hit continue, first thing I get is a pro trump post. I follow incredibly too many queer and trans and black people for the algorithm to think I want to be anywhere near that. I've done deleted it.
And guess what? The TikTok CEO has been given a prime seat at the techbro dominated crowning of the orange one. The top table.
@LilahTovMoon funniest thing: Trump didn't do shit. He isn't even president yet.
@JorisMeys i would assume this is part of a backdoor deal. tbh. @LilahTovMoon was very right this is part of a quid pro quo between a multi-billion dollar platform and a billionaire president
@walladiethylamide @LilahTovMoon you could also see it as a good joke by the Chinese, very willing to aid the US in destroying its own society. They can cash out, knowing Musk will have a ball ruining shit further.
@JorisMeys the united states is a joke already? our healthcare is gated behind the whims of billionaires and trillionaires, our food is produced in horrific and unsanitary ways, we have some of the worst workers protections and consumer protections compared to other countries "like us", we still occupy stolen land that violates multiple treaties made with native nations, and we have some of the least free press in the world.
what kinda racist, sinophobic shit are you on?
@walladiethylamide @LilahTovMoon it's called sarcasm, the European kind. Good stuff. A bit strong for some people's taste though.
@JorisMeys im multiracial faggot living in a fascist country, im going to assume crackers like you are purposefully being racist instead of playfully being racist
@walladiethylamide @LilahTovMoon ps: pretending that the chinese regime is some benevolent soft entity, is an insult to chinese people.
Also: the direct goal of BRIC is to replace the dollar with another global reserve currency. Anything that helps...
@JorisMeys i love how me pointing out the reality of the us's intent with tiktok is somehow invalidating that the state of china has a messy human rights record too. @LilahTovMoon
@JorisMeys i pray you have no systemic power outside of being a white man @LilahTovMoon
@walladiethylamide @LilahTovMoon nope. I don't. Sadly I was born like this, please do forgive me for being white. And male on top of that, the horror.
@JorisMeys omg go learn about other people for fucks sake
@walladiethylamide also do check my profile with all the racist stuff and do not hesitate to block and report me. Time for bed for me, have a splendid day yourself.
@JorisMeys joking about china being an evil country while white, european nations are doing arguably worse shit than china is racism. like you don't need to invoke the "evil chinese commies" when you're talking about the united states of genocide.
just because you post for other people means nothing if this is how you're going to show your whole ass. racist sarcasm that furthers western sinophobic propaganda is still racist. like idk dude.
if you're fine with saying the same shit that some racist would, then fine. go off. but you're the one choosing to use language like racists and will likely get treated as such by other racialized people when you're acting like this.
you're an instructor, you do have systemic power. that you don't recognize that, on top of how you think casual racism is fine, truly makes me worry for your students.
i don't block ppl unless they do truly egregious shit. if you're willing to talk, so am i. i will get upset because racism has horrific consequences, no matter how "casual".
i don't want you to go into other interactions in the future and not have some idea that you may be causing harm.
racialized people don't deserve to deal with european racism constantly regardless of how normalized it is.
@walladiethylamide if I say Israel is committing genocide, is that racist? If I say Russia is out to destroy as much of the European economy as they can to reinstate the big Russian empire, is that racist?
Tiktok doesn't need the US, they could just put a message "this service is not available in your country" and put their US servers overseas. They didn't, and made this circus abt their "savior" Trump instead. Ask yourself why.
@JorisMeys how are these things equivalent? supporting a conspiracy theory that a multi-billion dollar singaporean company is doing business with a billionaire because the ccp is trying to destroy the us instead of it being a bunch of people trying to make money off a fascist state.
israel is committing a genocide. but i mean, idk on the context that you think brics, which has many global "south" countries, is intended to destroy the economy of europe instead of it being an anti-western imperialist coalition is kinda weird yeah.
is russia a petrol oligarchy? as much as i can tell. but if russia attacking ukraine is someone how worse in your mind than all of the current active us military campaigns and the support the us military receives from western european countries, yeah that's kinda weird. why does the us get to destroy the european economy through draining their resources and allowing us oligarchs to influence european elections without being seen as an evil force in your mind?
@walladiethylamide you're attacking me for my gender, my color and for things I didn't say. Simply because I made a sarcastic comment about a geopolitical fact.
Also look at Georgia, Checnya, what Russia is doing to underseas cables, manipulations of elections in quite a few European countries. It's not about Ukrain.
Look up the mission statement of BRIC about global monetary reserves and the dollar.
@walladiethylamide and I absolutely agree that various European countries are screwing up in different ways. It's an ugly world out there. All these things can be true at the same time. That doesn't negate that the Chinese regime-like the US, Russi,...- is doing their best to manipulate public opinion at home and abroad, and really want to take over economic leadership from the US. Whether that is "bad" depends on where you live I guess?
@JorisMeys and the us isnt swaying public opinion at home and abroad? the us isnt trying to be the global economic leader? china is allegedly trying to build global communism through diplomacy and trade. the us is trying to build global capitalism through imperialism and genocide. i'm unsure why one of these governments is a regime to you and the other is under threat from destabilization form outside forces.
@JorisMeys china is making mistakes, but they are not at the same scale of the us. china cam be bad and have room for improvement without them being the global evil. the same for russia, though im more skeptical of russia bc pretty imperialist
@JorisMeys the us is a global terrorist organization for fucks sake
@JorisMeys and every country spreads propaganda about other countries. like if you don't like that then oppose allowing countries to do that not just making the ccp into some conspiracy
@walladiethylamide yes, they are. And my honest opinion? Trump wanted to ban tiktok andvpose tariffs becauce "china bad hur hur". Musk did the 1 thing he's good in: recognize a superior product. The algo of tiktok is way better than Meta's or his. And like Tesla, SpaceX and everything else, he's using every dirty trick to grab it. And China is more than happy to let him bcs it's good for them geopolitically.
@JorisMeys the us is trying to own tiktok with the intent of controlling the flow of information. multiple us representatives from both major parties have repeatedly stated that they need to let tiktok be owned by an american company because the ccp is "making the youth anti-semitic (pro-palestine) and are trying to destabilize our country". the us had large scale anti-imperialist sentiment rise because tiktok allowed for more leftists and anti-imperialist to maintain a platform and far reach compared to meta, who would limit instagram activity of leftist accounts but allow fascists to say whatever they wanted unhindered.
@walladiethylamide you pretend that all US actors had the same reasoning and also that China is some poor developing country "trying to figure it out" (which is arguably pretty racist in fact, ironically). Again, Musk wanting the algo, ppl want to control information flow, ppl being scared of China and trying on tiktok what China tried on facebook, Google, Apple,... and China using the tiktok situation to advance their own interest by disturbing public op in the US do not exclude eachother.
@JorisMeys well because both parties passed the tiktok ban and repeatedly stated the same reasoning for why they were supporting the bill. have you watched any of the public tv footage of congressional hearings on this? i have. democrats and republicans repeatedly state "the youth are being made anti-semitic and the ccp poses a security risk bc they can keep us user data". also how did i insinuate that about china? bytedance is not a chinese company. how is the ccp requiring bytedance to give them partial control of the company to operate in china different from the us asking the same thing? also musk isnt buying tiktok. other billionaires have offered but no one has officially put themselves on the hook for the massive bill.
like you trying to make this a grand conspiracy by the ccp and musk is just weird. the us gov is already publicly talking about their plans.
what we don't fully know is what back door deals tiktok is doing with trump. because again it's a company colluding with a businessman president
@walladiethylamide Technically Bytedance Ltd. is located on the Cayman isles. The headquarters of ByteDance Ltd. however are in Beijing. Last time I checked, that's in China.
You can check the corporate structure and investors (including the stake of the CPC) on their own webpage: https://www.bytedance.com/en/
There's some Singapore investor money in the company, but founders Zhang Yiming and Rubo Liam are both Chinese.
@JorisMeys this is myopically focused on something utterly pointless. your obsession with china being some global evil is undercut by how horrific the us is. the us is destroying itself. you know nothing of us history if you think this place needs outside help falling apart.
the us is an illegitimate government on stolen land that is still under treaty as being native land. the us built a racially unequal country that used white supremacy, police violence, and military action to destroy black/brown communities so that white people wouldn't recognize that they were being treated like cattle by the oligarchs.
hitler lauded the us and used it to model his apartheid state and concentration camps.
china isnt going around bombing entire bloodlines off the face of the earth, the us is. china isnt sending fascist dictatorships into countries, the us is.
you have serious issues to be this concerned with china when threats like the us exist. id much rather diplomacy and propaganda than literal genocide and forced fascist dictatorships like what "western empires" do.
@JorisMeys my point is that china isnt trying to be a global terrorist org like the us gov. china is actually doing diplomacy amd trade like i said earlier
@walladiethylamide uhu. And in that trade they use a lot of tactics, including influencing public opinion at home and abroad. When presented with an opportunity like the whole tiktok theatre, they make good use of it.
That's what I wrote. Don't know what you read, but obviously not what I wrote.
Also note I've not once defended global policies of the US. Haven't in a long time, don't plan on starting to do that any time soon. Just sayin...
@JorisMeys like the problem is western empires spreading racism and killing people and your concern is "oh no the chinese want to control tiktok to topple the us". seriously concerning that you have this much fear of chinese activity and think america needs protection.
@JorisMeys the us is trying to maintain information dominance and a singaporean company is interested in maintaining the business they receive from tiktok. the us and bytedance are working together to ensure that tiktok makes money and trumpism has less online opposition. if china wanted to collapse the us, they would've used the tiktok ban against trump to turn his base against him as a lot of his supporters also love tiktok. the fall out of trying to collapse the us this way doesn't really benefit china, as more anti chinese propaganda will likely be on tiktok going forward. plus how does granting the us control over the flow of information benefit china?
@JorisMeys the us did the tiktok ban to control the flow of information on a platform they could not control the flow of information on. whatever secondary deals with the singaporean company bytedance trump makes will be shit we find out later. @LilahTovMoon
@LilahTovMoon Private Citizen Trump. Convicted Criminal Trump. TikTok had better get that right. AssholeBoy has zero official power till tomorrow afternoon. None. Not a fucking thing.
@LilahTovMoon What really happened is far simpler:
He wanted to ban Tiktok, then all in Congress wanted to ban Tiktok for various reasons, they banned it, and he realized he could pickup a political win by NOT going with Congress so he did and it got unbanned and got huge publicity.
He played the dumbass Congress like a fiddle just like LAST time AFTER he won election by putting his signature on the Congress COVID checks.
I didn't vote for him but I can see the ploy he pulled.
@LilahTovMoon How long until you think Bernie and AOC get shadow-banned (sent to the bottom of the algorithm)?
So they pull this stunt, suck up to trump while at the same time assuring themselves he's unlikely to ban them anytime soon and you will get thousands of morons going on #TikTok screaming that trump saved the app and praising him.
Not to worry; there are thousands more anti trump ppl setting the record straight already on there; calling this out for the garage that it is.
Never should have been banned to begin with.
Banning was a stupid solution. What they should have done was implement stronger and more robust privacy and security laws and requirements.... but that would have made sense.
Might have been just a rude all along.
I'm not computer savvy, but those I follow who are, are claiming that since coming back online, TT is running thru meta servers.
zuck may be involved with TT now.
@LilahTovMoon I read it more as TikTok playing the appeasement game for survival in the US but not a good sign overall for freedom of association or speech however one interprets it