MOVED TO FediPact@cyberpunk.lol @FediPact@tech.lgbti think the most annoying thing about this whole discourse is that people refuse to judge threads by the standard of any other fedi instance
like if a mastodon instance got set up and federated right now and it allowed the shit threads allowed it'd be widely defederated IMMEDIATELY
there are accounts literally CALLING FOR THE DEATH OF QUEER PEOPLE on there right fucking now
the only reason people are even willing to give them a chance is because it's a big corpo, but that should only be reason to give them less of one lmao. especially considering meta's history in particular
don't let them lower the bar for moderation standards here
MOVED TO FediPact@cyberpunk.lol @FediPactlike... why should we want anything to do with an instance that willingly allows GaysAgainstGroomers and LibsOfTikTok to exist on their platform? these are the kinds of hate speech accounts that get queer people killed every single goddamn day
that's basically like federating with fucking gab but with a few extra steps
MOVED TO FediPact@cyberpunk.lol @FediPactnobody i've seen trying to criticize fedipact in depth seems to actually like understand the point of it lmao
they think it's all about data scraping or opposition to meta on principle or just being gatekeepy or something
some of what they bring up are valid concerns, but far from my main one. my biggest concern here is entirely practical: allowing threads onto fedi will bring about a torrent of hate
the reason i started it was always "protecting queer people and other marginalized groups on here from harassment"
further reading: https://fedipact.online/why
MOVED TO FediPact@cyberpunk.lol @FediPactbut, to be clear
signing the fedipact doesn't mean you necessarily subscribe to my specific reasoning for creating it, or see that one as the most important part of all this, or whatever
there are many more valid concerns i didn't even touch upon in that "why" article
it just means you agree with the text of the pact itself, that states threads is a threat to the fediverse and needs to be defended against, for whatever reasons you may have
@haiderbahrani@mastodonapp.uk@FediPact hmm not sure. I can understand the concern, but to assume that bad people are not on mastodon is folly. Quite frankly they are everywhere and the ones that are really good at it don't even let you know. To dislike something because it's big is not, in my view, a recipe for any traction in any direction. If you are going to let everyone in you are going to have to accept that there will be some bad actors. Just block them is my suggestion.
@FediPact i hate those corporations because they earned my hatred with their inhumane actions. At best, l I distrust the judgement of anyone embracing those corporations. At worst, i assume they are intentionality complicit.
I need no other motive. But yours seems pretty aligned to mine. Or mine to yours.
Humans Together is better than anything a corporation would ever do.
@Zekovski@pouet.chapril.org@FediPact
Another overlooked thing is Meta pushing anticompetitive changes to the way federation works, in order to make mastodon look like a buggy mess.
Kinda like what Chrome is doing with Firefox.
@FediPact Also Facebook literally aided in a genocide. People really seem to gloss over or are unaware of this fact
@engravecavedave I mean, a lot of folks in my (mostly Jewish) community who are continuing to be active on Meta apps, ignoring or downplaying the role Meta has played in genocide, are also continuing to unquestioningly support Israel despite the fact that it's clearly committing genocide in Gaza.
Confirmation bias is a bitch.
Apparently, "Never again," means, "Unless it's inconvenient or forces me to challenge my assumptions."
*sigh*
@thomholwerda@exquisite.social@FediPact People seem so obsessed with "number go up" they completely overlook the inherent dangers of Facebook we are all more than aware of. First and foremost, their role in genocide, closely followed by, in 20-the-year-of-our-lord-23 allowing nazis like Libs of TikTok and others to freely exist on their instance. And we haven't even gone into election interference in various countries, and so many other things.
Any other instance that does even 1% of what Facebook does would be defederated in a heartbeat. The push to force Threads down our throats and casting us as the crazy ones feels like I'm in the fucking Twilight Zone.
@FediPact For me, point 2 is the primary reason. I have replied to other toots elsewhere on why Meta should not be trusted. Looks like I'm going to have to start looking into the moving process sooner than later. >The Biggest Sigh<
Not mine, but I remembered this piece from earlier this year:(Link)"Mark F***king Zuckerberg Is Not Your Friend" https://catvalente.substack.com/p/mark-fking-zuckerberg-is-not-your
Edit: Added title to link for context
#Meta #Threads
@hexxy_the_grouch @FediPact from the above article. Is that Joe Rogan on the right? You can't do much w/ Zuck's knees. Dead giveaway he's a creatine builder.
@gnomeoffender @FediPact No idea if that is Rogan or not. TBH, that picture needs a spoiler. The author was wise to put an adorable kitten as the first figure in the article.
I'd also point out that even though that article is 6 months old and doesn't really talk about threads federating, it still does support the argument against trusting Meta with ... anything.
@FediPact
we should do the same thing to threads we did with gab: hardcoded instance blocklists
@wxifu@FediPact this whole thing is actually making me lose trust in Mastodon as a whole, not just .social
@FediPact All of this. It's a reflection of the amount of power and control the corporate has over all aspects of our lives. People refuse to see it and that's terrifying. Turns out even Masto isn't safe from it. 
@alxndr@hachyderm.io@FediPact It's almost as if there's a large number of cishet white tech dudes that don't actually care about queer lifes when Uncle Venture Capital comes knocking.
A number of the account *actively pro* federating are quite large (like, follower counts in the 1000s or more), and I believe that the reason they want access to Threads here is to increase their reach.
In some ways, this means they're a bit like a corporation themselves - anyone with that many followers isn't moderating them - with the best will in the world, you can't - and they'll have reasons to want to extend their reach - monetary or otherwise.
It seems to me, to be very bad faith given everything we *know* will come if we federate with Threads.
@FediPact My view on threads is the same as twitter.
They willingly and happily host NAZI's.
And the German saying of, if nine people are at a table with a nazi, then there are 10 nazis at the table applies.
@FediPact So if a mastodon instance was set up that had nothing to do with Facebook but was just another instance that had been up for a while and had some bad accounts but wasn't a pure Nazi-style instance, would it be universally blocked immediately? Would some instances block and some not? Would there be requests to improve their moderation with the threat of blocking? I have no idea how instance owners generally handle this.
@FediPact meta has showed time and time again that their moderating decisions are linked to their bottom line rather than actually objecting to the content. Even if people intentionally forgot how much they intentionally ignored COVID misinformation, how they have ignored and still ignore hate groups, are people really saying that a company that would unban Trump should be given any consideration?
@TrackerRoo@meow.social@FediPact I have my doubts any actual gays are in the Gays Against Groomers group. Like that whole "Blacks for Trump" thing that was just old white Boomers sitting at the booth
@FediPact I think this is the most important point. Fediverse is *already* dancing to Meta’s tune before they’ve even had a chance to become dependent. If the Fediverse is unable to resist Meta’s influence now how will it get easier later?
@FediPact @ErictheCerise The biggest issue I have is it takes choice away from us. Every Mastodon user is two clicks away from blocking an entire instance for themselves. People can very easily avoid Threads content if they wish to.
I’m much more excited by the idea of being able to interact with friends on Instagram, who simply are not going to leave, and who are not bad people simply for being on Instagram, from Mastodon. That prospect seems like a boon for fedi, not a curse.
I respect what you’re doing and why you’re doing it, but there is room for disagreement and it isn’t necessarily personal.
@alexis@foxgirl.land@jsj@tech.lgbt @FediPact@tech.lgbt @ErictheCerise@kolektiva.social the onus is not on us to protect ourselves individually. no. the onus is on those that wish to federate with threads.net to either find an instance that is willing to federate or to create a threads.net account. safety is the highest priority here even if that means that those who wish to federate have to be slightly inconvenienced.
@FediPact Absolutely..Threads is not any other "standard" instance.
@FediPact they literally FACILITATED GENOCIDE IN MYANMAR. like admins on here have done some messed up shit but no one has been quite THAT bad.
@FediPact@tech.lgbt the fact that’s is a big corp is enough to ban the whole thing
@alice@mk.nyaa.place@FediPact@tech.lgbt yep, and some people are like "but their moderators are just overworked, why are you assuming malice". So overworked they couldn't get rid of very well known hate accounts that existed there since day one, apparently 